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    Episode•January 5, 2026•9 min

    Why China pulled the plug on Japan

    Japan’s new prime minister Sanae Takaichi made waves last fall after saying her country might intervene if China invaded Taiwan. In response, China launched state-organized boycotts against Japan — canceling concerts, restricting seafood imports, and even recalling pandas. Today on the show, what does it look like for a state to organize a boycott, and does it work? Related episodes: How Japan’s new prime minister is jolting markets (https://www.npr.org/2025/12/03/nx-s1-5629205/how-japans-new-prime-minister-is-jolting-markets) When do boycotts work? (https://www.npr.org/2025/04/28/1247707503/when-do-boycotts-work)  Forging Taiwan's Silicon Shield (https://www.npr.org/2022/10/07/1127595393/taiwan-miracle-semiconductor-silicon-shield-china) For sponsor-free episodes of The Indicator from Planet Money, subscribe to Planet Money+ via Apple Podcasts or at plus.npr.org (http://plus.npr.org/). Fact-checking by Sierra Juarez (https://www.npr.org/people/1268825622/sierra-juarez). Music by Drop Electric (https://dropelectric.bandcamp.com/). Find us: TikTok (https://www.tiktok.com/@planetmoney), Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/planetmoney/), Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/planetmoney), Newsletter (https://www.npr.org/newsletter/money).   To manage podcast ad preferences, review the links below: See pcm.adswizz.com (https://pcm.adswizz.com) for information about our collection and use of personal data for sponsorship and to manage your podcast sponsorship preferences. Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoices (https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices) NPR Privacy Policy (https://www.npr.org/about-npr/179878450/privacy-policy)

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    Npr.
    0:12
    This is the indicator from Planet Money. I'm Darian woods and Today we have NPR's international correspondent Emily Fang on with us.
    0:19
    Hey Emily, always a pleasure. Glad to be with you, Darian.
    0:23
    And what do we have today?
    0:25
    I have a story for you about boycotts and this particular one started with China being very mad at Japan. These two countries have been in a bit of a diplomatic chill and the Chinese state as a result has been shaping what people can and cannot buy from Japan.
    0:41
    We usually think about boycotts as these bottom up groundswells of public anger.
    0:47
    But for today's episode I want to look at how a state can organize a boycott, whether they work and what the purpose of a boycot. This bat between China and Japan all started with these remarks from Japan's new Prime minister, Sanae Takagichi. In early November, she's addressing Japan's parliament and she says if China deploys warships with the use of military force against Taiwan, that that could lead to a survival threatening situation for Japan. Which Darian, to me that sounds pretty mundane, but technically her comments implied if China invaded Taiwan, this democr island that China wants to control one day, that if that happened, Japan would get involved militarily.
    1:37
    Beijing freaks out over these sentences. It orders officials to pressure her to retract her statement. Threatening consequences. And those consequences hit hard pretty quickly.
    1:49
    To understand what those consequences were, I called Christian Peterson Clausen in Shanghai. He's a filmmaker and he also organizes concerts all across China.
    1:59
    The audiences here are quite sophisticated.
    2:01
    This fall he had some great Japanese artists coming through Shanghai, but they get canceled due to this fallout with Japan. One of the concerts was with this Japanese bassist who has kind of a cult following in China. Now I love those bass notes. As Christian tells it, he and the musician Yoshio Suzuki were doing last minute sound checks this past November at 3:30 in the afternoon.
    2:28
    And I was standing in the lighthouse talking with the owner and suddenly the owner looks to the entrance and there's a man in civilian clothes coming in and he says, oh, I have to go talk to him. They talk for one minute. The owner comes back and says to me the police has canceled all concerts with Japanese musicians. And they said no discussion. And so I had to go on stage where they were doing their sound check and break the 80 year old man's heart, which I don't say lightly. I mean he legitimately cried.
    3:02
    And then the same thing happens to another Japanese jazz musician. Toshio Osumi, who Christian has also invited, plays this really mellow jazz music but Right before his concert, Christian gets a text from someone saying that their ticket was suddenly refunded.
    3:19
    Yeah, that's how we found out. They didn't even tell us to our face.
    3:23
    And around the same time, there's another Japanese singer, Maki Otsuki, and there's this video of her singing her heart out. And the lights just suddenly go out on her, and a technician runs onto the stage and tells her her show is being canceled right there and then. And she just has this look of shock on her face, Darian, as she's bundled off stage.
    3:43
    And then on top of all these cancellations, Chinese authorities were warning people not to travel to Japan and were actually canceling group tours. There were. Chinese tourism into Japan plummeted in November. They've also effectively banned Japanese seafood imports and even delayed Japanese films from being shown in China. But, Emily, do you have a sense of whether Chinese people agree with these state boycott measures?
    4:09
    Well, Japan once invaded parts of China during World War II, committed horrible atrocities. And so there is genuine latent anger that the state is definitely tapping into. But at the same time, if you're an ordinary person in China, you're getting pretty strong signals from your own government that Japan equals bad right now.
    4:28
    And so the line between boycotts and state sanctions is pretty fuzzy here. You've got Beijing trying to make these bans look as ground up as possible, whether that's like a community boycott or a city authority banning Japanese musicians.
    4:45
    And one of the possible reasons for this is Beijing gets plausible deniability when it shapes boycotts behind the SC like this. It gets to claim that there is true outrage over Japan's comments and that Tokyo has really hurt the feelings of the Chinese people, as it likes to say.
    5:00
    I think it is mostly a political signaling mechanism.
    5:03
    This is Jeremy Wallace. He's a professor at the School of Advanced International Studies at Johns Hopkins University,
    5:09
    and he wrote a paper on a prior Chinese state organized boycott, plus street protests against Japan, which all kicked off in 2012 when the two countries were arguing over who owned a cluster of islands.
    5:23
    People on the street kind of going after symbols of Japan inside of the country. So Japanese restaurants, Japanese auto dealerships, what have you. And some of those were even violent, mostly against property, not against people, but still like real kind of like quite dramatic scenes.
    5:42
    So Jeremy describes boycotts as a kind of censorship mechanism. You're trying to get people or a company, in this case a country, to behave in a way that's more beneficial to you by leveraging economic access.
    5:55
    I think the Chinese state knows that it has a huge consumer market and revels and takes advantage of that in its economic statecraft.
    6:09
    Somebody could argue that that sounds a bit like bullying.
    6:12
    You could argue that. But perhaps there's a different way, Darian, of looking at boycotts. Perhaps they can actually defuse a tense
    6:20
    diplomatic situation and has domestic purposes that is much less drastic than sending kind of warships or something towards some other country as a, as a symbol of
    6:32
    frustration, as in through a state boycott you can vent your unhappiness without escalating the situation. But this costs China as well. Christian, the concert organizer explains he's had prospective investors pull out of potential projects in China because they don't know when an event could just be called off. And this is repeating across China among the to agencies which have had to cancel their trips to Japan or Chinese run restaurants that just happen to serve Japanese food which is really popular in China and they're seeing their foot traffic drop.
    7:03
    And China frequently does this. You know, it encourages boycotts regionally over geopolitics. Filmmaker Christian Peterson Clausen recalls another country that attracted China's ire.
    7:15
    China does seem to see good business relations as a privilege for other countries. I mean if you look back to the Korean Thaad crisis.
    7:28
    So the thaad crisis trip down memory lane. This started in 2016 when South Korea allowed the US to set up an anti missile system and China protested.
    7:39
    South Korean musicians are still unable to perform in China. They just don't get performance visa.
    7:44
    Except it didn't work the way Beijing imagined. In South Korea's case, they chose to endure that economic pain for a year. They gave kept the missile defence system and Beijing was not willing to escalate beyond economic pressure. But in Japan's case, China has continued to pile on.
    8:02
    Right. Chinese officials continue to say they're not satisfied with Japan's later clarifications on its Prime Minister's statements on Taiwan. And then in mid December, China decided to take back the last two pandas it had loaned to Japan.
    8:18
    Panda diplomacy strikes again.
    8:20
    This is getting serious. So in general this is a low cost way to send a message to Japan to try to shape another country's behavior without using military pressure. And if Beijing can really squeeze an apology out of Tokyo, then maybe this boycott is actually a pretty efficient way to raise a big political fuss, especially
    8:39
    for a country of China's S
    8:44
    this episode was produced by Cooper Katz McKim and engineered by Jimmy Keeley. It was fact checked by Corey Bridges. The entire episode was edited by Julia Ritchie. Kate Concannon is our editor. The indicator is a production of npr.

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