The Indicator from Planet Money

Episode•March 20, 2025•9 min

What's this about a crypto reserve?

In 2009, Bitcoin launched as the first cryptocurrency. Just under two decades, President Trump has signed an executive order to create the "Strategic Bitcoin Reserve and United States Digital Asset Stockpile." On today's show, we look at what the U.S. government plans for this new strategy, plus who benefits from a crypto reserve. Related episodes: Is an American sovereign wealth fund such a bad idea? (Apple (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/is-an-american-sovereign-wealth-fund-such-a-bad-idea/id1320118593?i=1000671483599) / Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/episode/3YWQOgRT2EZeoxZpoIjQiF)) Is 'government crypto' a good idea? (Apple (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/is-government-crypto-a-good-idea/id1320118593?i=1000655477351) / Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/episode/21aBd7I7rRfrb7xFsZD80R?si=8joVaCgbSZilGC8eD4t3og)) For sponsor-free episodes of The Indicator from Planet Money, subscribe to Planet Money+ via Apple Podcasts or at plus.npr.org (http://plus.npr.org/). Fact-checking by Sierra Juarez (https://www.npr.org/people/g-s1-26724/sierra-juarez). Music by Drop Electric (https://dropelectric.bandcamp.com/). Find us: TikTok (https://www.tiktok.com/@planetmoney), Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/planetmoney/), Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/planetmoney), Newsletter (https://www.npr.org/newsletter/money). To manage podcast ad preferences, review the links below: See pcm.adswizz.com (https://pcm.adswizz.com) for information about our collection and use of personal data for sponsorship and to manage your podcast sponsorship preferences. Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoices (https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices) NPR Privacy Policy (https://www.npr.org/about-npr/179878450/privacy-policy)

Apple Podcasts Overcast

Transcript

0:00

Npr.

0:11

This is the indicator from Planet Money. I'm Jeff Guo.

0:14

And I'm Paddy Hirsch. President Trump's executive order earlier this month to create a strategic bitcoin reserve and digital asset stockpile made the crypto communities pulse jump. The crypto summit that followed, however, was something of a letdown. And two weeks on, the world is wondering, what was all that crypto kerfuffle all about?

0:34

Crypto evangelists had been hoping to hear that the government would be fully committed to supporting and buying crypto and that crypto gains would be exempted from taxes. Now, on the surface, it doesn't seem like either of those things is going to happen.

0:47

Still, the creation of the reserve has raised a lot of questions. Why did President Trump create this reserve? Does the US need one? Who benefits? Where's the money coming from? And, of course, what could possibly go wrong? The answer to all of these questions and more coming up after the break.

1:10

Earlier this month, President Trump announced the executive order to create the strategic bitcoin reserve and digital asset stockpile. Here he is signing it.

1:19

To make America the world capital in

1:20

crypto under your leadership, which is really going up, right?

1:24

Absolutely. And by creating this reserve, Trump's making good on a campaign promise when he pledged to hold on to all of the bitcoin that the US Holds or acquires in the future.

1:35

Yeah, this is like the US Government turning into a bitcoin bro.

1:39

The US Government is a bitcoin bro, big time. James Brohl is a senior fellow at the Virginia Institute for Public Policy.

1:46

The government possesses a lot of bitcoin in particular, and some other cryptocurrencies as having, through law enforcement efforts, basically confiscated maybe even billions of dollars of cryptocurrency.

1:58

And so right now, the plan is not actually to buy crypto. It's actually just to hold on to all of the crypto that apparently we have confiscated.

2:06

Yeah, we're not buying any yet. And there is quite a lot of bitcoin that we've confiscated, maybe as much as $17 billion worth. It's quite a haul. Right. Netted over the years in seizures by federal law enforcement alongside the usual assets you might expect cops to net from crim sting operations. You know, the yacht, the Lamborghini, the bitcoin wallet.

2:25

And it's not just bitcoin either. The feds have seized all kinds of crypto assets in the past. They've dealt with them the way that they've dealt with the yachts and the cars and all the other stuff that they seize. They just Auction them off. But now they're saying maybe they shouldn't do that with crypto.

2:42

Yeah, maybe not, because the government sold, for example, 500 seized Bitcoin in 2018 for about $5 million. But if it had held onto it, those coins would have been worth more than 40 million the time we recorded this. So God knows what it's worth when you're listening to it. And you can see why. Trump, who is on record saying you should never sell your bitcoin, you could see why he might want to put a stop to that. So he's put a working group on the case.

3:06

And so one of the tasks of this working group is to identify a number and where all this crypto is. So if there is some kind of reserve, it could just be bringing it together in one central location so it's housed in the same place.

3:20

Sounds reasonable.

3:21

On the face of it, it sounds reasonable, but it's very unclear. I mean, there's obviously a lot of risks with something like this.

3:27

Risks, yeah. Paddy, we should talk about these risks.

3:31

Yeah. Well, of course, the first risk is with the currencies themselves. I mean, take bitcoin, for example.

3:36

Everything depends on whether the price rises.

3:38

This is Ishwar Prasad. He's a professor at Cornell University and the author of the Future of Money. He says one of the unique things about Bitcoin is that only a certain number of coins can ever be made.

3:50

The supply of bitcoin, it turns out, is limited. There are going to be ultimately only 21 million bitcoins, of which about 19 million plus have been created already.

4:01

And this is one of the big selling points of bitcoin. And Eswar says, you know, we've pretty much made all that already.

4:08

Yeah. And he says this ceiling on the supply of bitcoin means that if the government becomes a big holder of it, even if the price goes up, it becomes very difficult for it to sell. And that's not the case for smallholders.

4:19

They, of course, can sell it because they'd be selling relatively small quantities, which won't affect the price. But if the US Government were to actually try to sell any of its crypto holdings, that would cause market turmoil.

4:32

In other words, there's a risk that we would be building a substantial reserve of a highly valued asset that we might not be able to monetize.

4:39

But Ishwar says there are also more profound risks. He points out that the active involvement of a huge player like the US Government wouldn't just legitimize crypto assets. The eyes of the public. It could also move markets. In fact, it already has. James Br says it's not a good look.

4:56

There's a risk of conflicts of interest. There's a potential just appearance of corruption. When you have people like David Sachs is the main crypto advisor to the president and he's got close connections to the crypto industry. You don't want to create the impression that they're benefiting or getting rich off some of these market movements.

5:17

Yet Trump himself could be at risk here. He issued a Meme coin ahead of his inauguration, and he's named five currencies that would be included in this reserve. Bitcoin and Ether are the ones that most people have heard of, but he also named three others that are less well known. Xrp, Ada and Solana. Ishwar. Prasad says this illustrates the problem perfectly.

5:38

Solana is the blockchain on which Trump decided to issue the Trump Meme coin. So increasing the value of the native token of that blockchain would potentially either directly or indirectly benefit Trump and his inner circle. So there are rampant conflicts of interest here.

5:59

And the final risk that Eswar identifies is to the taxpayer, because right now, the government apparently is not planning to buy up a lot of crypto.

6:07

But if you read the order closely, as I did, you'll see that the language does leave the door open. And we could see the government buying crypto assets in the future.

6:16

That would certainly require taxpayer money, which in principle would also require congressional authorization. In the present climate, though, it's hard to see the President being denied very much of what he wants by this U.S. congress. So it will certainly involve some taxpayer money being put at risk.

6:33

The argument that President Trump is making is that we should harness the power of digital assets. But what does that actually mean? And what does a reserve of crypto actually do for us?

6:44

There are reserves of oil where there is actually a strategic purpose, because one wants to make sure that the US Economy is not derailed because of limited supply of oil and the spike in prices.

6:56

I guess another type of reserve that we have in the US is gold.

7:00

Gold is a long standing safe haven asset. It is seen as something that is going to keep its price and could potentially serve as a hedge against inflation and so on. So one might say, if you're going to have a gold reserve in Fort Kno, why not have a Bitcoin reserve as well? There were notions that perhaps Bitcoin could serve a similar role. But what we've seen is that Bitcoin is just behaving like a risky asset like equities, except it is much riskier and therefore much more volatile in price. Right.

7:34

And the question right now is, is crypto one of those things that we need and eastward? He doesn't think so.

7:41

It's not obvious that such a strategic reserve really has a strategic purpose to it, rather than a purpose of basically boosting crypto and enriching the holders and promoters of crypto.

7:56

Now, all of this said Eswar and James aren't totally against the idea of leveraging an asset that the US Government has managed to acquire without spending a single dime.

8:06

There is potentially a lot of money for the government to make, especially if they're holding onto these tokens anyway.

8:12

And if you squint, this crypto reserve kind of starts to look like one of Trump's other ideas, the US Sovereign wealth fund. Now, we spoke to James Brull about that concept a few months ago. We'll link to that show in the show notes, and here's what he thinks about where crypto might fit into that idea.

8:30

There's potentially billions of dollars worth of value here. And if that were sufficiently independent from the president, and if it was set up in a more independent fashion, like the Federal Reserve is a good example, then I think that you're moving more in the direction of what a reasonable sovereign wealth fund structure might look like.

8:52

Yeah, in the direction, right. But a true sovereign wealth fund would invest in assets that benefit Americans for the benefit of Americans, James says. And the way that it looks right now, this reserve is entirely based on crypto. It's not clear exactly what it is, or frankly, what its function is supposed to be.

9:16

This episode was produced by Lily Quiroz with engineering by Jimmy Keeley. It's fact checked by Sarah Juarez. Kate Concannon is our show's editor, and the indicator is a production of npr.

What's this about a crypto reserve?

0:00

0:00

Related Episodes

Are we in an economic 'doom loop'?

Are we in an economic 'doom loop'?

Feb 9, 20269 min

Eswar PrasadDoom LoopGlobalization

Are U.S. defense contractors lavishing their investors too much?

Are U.S. defense contractors lavishing their investors too much?

Jan 20, 20269 min

Trump Executive OrderDefense ContractorsRaytheon

So long, farewell, super cheap tariff-free shopping

So long, farewell, super cheap tariff-free shopping

Sep 3, 20259 min

De Minimis ExemptionTrump Executive OrderTariffs

The risk of private equity in your 401(k)

The risk of private equity in your 401(k)

Jul 30, 20259 min

Private Equity401kTrump Executive Order