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Episode•May 21, 2025•9 min

The old trade war that brought foreign carmakers to the U.S.

President Donald Trump wants more products made in America, and he's not afraid of a few trade wars to make it happen. Back in the 80s, a different trade dispute brought new manufacturing to the U.S. Today on the show, how former President Ronald Reagan used the threat of trade protectionism to bring car-making stateside, and why the same strategy might not work today. Related episodes: The tensions behind the sale of U.S. Steel (Apple (https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-tensions-behind-the-sale-of-u-s-steel/id1320118593?i=1000642562491) / Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/episode/7rjl3f1AYrnKKI8B2alXNp?si=78060c000d824a14)) Tariffs: What are they good for? (Apple (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tariffs-what-are-they-good-for/id290783428?i=1000701962367&l=pt-BR) / Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/episode/0IiEWoIQpFjqiqbDkXzXVP?si=75ed30e665004968)) For sponsor-free episodes of The Indicator from Planet Money, subscribe to Planet Money+ via Apple Podcasts or at plus.npr.org (http://plus.npr.org/). Fact-checking by Sierra Juarez (https://www.npr.org/people/g-s1-26724/sierra-juarez). Music by Drop Electric (https://dropelectric.bandcamp.com/). Find us: TikTok (https://www.tiktok.com/@planetmoney), Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/planetmoney/), Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/planetmoney), Newsletter (https://www.npr.org/newsletter/money). To manage podcast ad preferences, review the links below: See pcm.adswizz.com (https://pcm.adswizz.com) for information about our collection and use of personal data for sponsorship and to manage your podcast sponsorship preferences. Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoices (https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices) NPR Privacy Policy (https://www.npr.org/about-npr/179878450/privacy-policy)

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Npr.

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When it comes to made in America, we actually make a lot of cars and trucks here like the Ford F150, the Tesla Model 3 and the Honda

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Accord, the Toyota Camry, the Volkswagen Atlas.

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Now that might not sound right, but it's true. These Japanese and German automakers set up shop here in the US a few decades. Foreign carmakers like Toyota and Mercedes have actually opened more than 20 factories in the US over the last 45 years.

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Yeah. And the reason many of those plants opened up in the US in the first place is not because of free trade, or at least not free trade alone. They came to America because of a trade war that happened more than 40 years ago.

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This is the indicator from Planet Money. I'm Waylon Wong here with friend of the show Stephen Bisaha from the Gulf States newsroom.

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Good to be with you, Waylon. And and on today's show, President Donald Trump wants more products made in America. Forty years ago, a different trade war made that happen.

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So we're going back in time to learn about how that trade war played a key part in bringing foreign car plants to the US and why that's probably not going to happen this time.

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And where we're going, we don't need roads.

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Perfect rendition. I love that movie.

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So good.

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Let us zoom back to the 70s. This is the time of big American muscle cars. You had the Chevy Camaro, the Pontiac Firebird, and of course the Ford Mustang.

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But most of all, the 1970 Mustang's got personality.

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They're basically making huge cars with big engines that get lousy gas mileage.

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That is A.J. jacobs. He's a professor in car industry historian at East Carolina University. And when he says lousy gas mileage, he means it like that Ford Mustang we're talking about that gets like 15 miles per gallon battery.

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Enough to get you very slowly around the block once to show off your car.

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Yeah, I mean, that's all you really need with a car that pretty, Right. AJ Says that lousy gas mileage became a big problem when an energy crisis in the 70s kicked in. Oil prices jumped about four times higher.

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And this is a big turning point in the auto industry. Those high gas prices were the opening. Japan and their fuel efficient cars needed to break into the American market.

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You asked for it.

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The Toyota Corolla two door sedan, probably the most sensible car in the world. 49 highway, 36 city.

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They're not pretty, they are not fast, they're not gonna get you a girlfriend, but they're gonna get you to work and they're not gonna make you broke.

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But what's the point of all this money if you don't have love?

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Steven this explains why I'm single with my Japanese car.

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Oh no. Shakes fist well, American companies like Ford with their lineup of gas guzzlers just couldn't compete with the Japanese models.

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So around the start of the 80s there were threats to break out the T word. Yet we're talking tariffs.

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The 80s was also a time of a lot of American resentment around Japanese imports. We did an episode about the tension and you can find the link in our show notes.

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Another important part of the 80s, and really a big factor in defining all the 80s, was the presidency of Ronald Reagan.

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Shortly after we came to office, our administration discussed the auto industry's problems with the Japanese.

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That clip is from the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library and a speech Reagan gave to Ford workers in Kansas City.

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Now, it might be easy to forget given the current state of Republican politics, but Ronald Reagan was not a big fan of tariffs. In the same way that Trump is the tariff guy. Reagan was the free trade guy. During that same speech in Kansas City, Reagan took the time to take shots at anyone who was in favor of trade restrictions.

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They believe we should run up the flag in defense of our markets, embrace protectionism and insulate ourselves from world competition. But we'll never meet the challenge of the 80s with that kind of defeatist mentality.

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But while Reagan may have been against trade restrictions, the threat of them by Congress on Japanese cars was basically a powerful bargaining chip. And Reagan used it to get the carmakers to cut back on exports.

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They offered to voluntarily restrain auto exports to the United States.

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They call it voluntary, but it was basically like a voluntold.

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John Moore is an auto historian at the College of Southern Maryland. He says Japanese carmakers wanted to keep their hold on the American market and if they couldn't export as many cars, they would just build them in the

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U.S. all these foreign assembly plants started opening in the U.S. in the 80s. Honda in Ohio, Toyota in Kentucky, Subaru in Indiana.

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And German automakers were not far behind. Like Mercedes in Alabama and BMW in South Carolina, they were aware of what

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had happened with the Japanese makers. There was a fear that if they did not localize production that something else might disrupt that relationship.

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It wasn't all tariff fears. Part of that was due to multi million dollar trade incentives from states. It also made selling in the US Cheaper still.

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This is an example of tariffs, or at least the threat of them working. Japanese, German and Korean companies created tens of thousands of American jobs Now, before

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we break out the tariff ticker tape parade, there's also a danger of overlearning history's lesson here. Historians like John say just because the US Got so much from this past trade war doesn't mean it can do the same today.

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And ironically, that's because of what that past trade war accomplished. Like take those foreign owned and US Made cars. The US produces so many at this point that they're no longer just selling them in the States. A lot of them actually get exported.

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While the exports that we have are not under, you know, traditional American brands, but they are exports nonetheless. You know, we are exporting Mercedes from Alabama, we're exporting Toyotas from Indiana.

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One of the most dramatic ways to see how this has changed the industry is by looking at the value of auto exports from the US last year they were priced at about 170 billion. Adjust for inflation. And that's about five times more than in 1970.

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To put it another way, those exports mean the US auto sector has a lot more to lose today than it did back then from other countries. Retaliatory tariffs.

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And so if we really do, you know, an international, global trade war, it's very likely that those exports will be imperiled. And the people whose jobs rely on those may find themselves out of work.

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And again, those are American jobs we're talking about.

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And it's not just that the US has a lot more to lose, it has a lot less to gain too. Historian A.J. jacobs says that's cause foreign carmakers have

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already opened plants in the U.S. scaring Hyundai, scaring Toyota. Yeah, you can do it to a certain degree, but they're already here.

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Trump recently put a 25% tariff on car and auto part imports with some exceptions. And so far there's been some mixed signals on how that's gone.

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Yeah, on the bad side of things, Ford recently warned that tariffs could cost the company about one and a half billion dollars.

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On the brighter side, Mercedes also recently said it would produce a new vehicle in Alabama in 2027 and it's hiring more US workers.

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What AJ says does not seem to be coming because of tariffs is the big prize we're talking about is new assembly plants.

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The cost of the plants are so high that most likely what you're going to see is expansion in existing. So Toyota, Hyundai, they can expand. They're in these rural areas, they can expand the factory. I mean, the Kia plant is on like 2,200 acres.

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But I'm still hearing you say like, hey, it could lead to an expansion of some plants here.

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Yeah, but does that mean that there are going to be more jobs?

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And this here is one of the biggest differences in 2025 compared to 1985. Automation is just a much bigger factor in the car market these days, and any new plant or expansion is going to come with a lot more robots and a lot fewer human workers than it would have 40 years ago.

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This episode was produced by Cooper Katz McKim and engineered by Kwesi Lee and Robert Rodriguez. It was fact checked by Sierra Juarez and edited by Kate Kincannon. The indicators of production of NPR.

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