The Indicator from Planet Money

Episode•February 13, 2025•9 min

The gutting of USAID

The United States Agency for International Development, or USAID, has funneled humanitarian aid to countries around the globe for over six decades. Today on the show, people familiar with USAID's work describe the fall-out from the Trump administration's sudden dismantling of the agency, and what that means for the country's longstanding use of foreign aid to advance American national security and economic goals. Related episodes: A 'Fork in the Road' for federal employees (Apple (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-indicator-from-planet-money/id1320118593?i=1000690056474) / Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/episode/6kk0d5SQNir6bNrQTtqdu4?si=7cd25dfc29064158)) Trump threatens the grim trigger (Apple (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-indicator-from-planet-money/id1320118593?i=1000688696631) / Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/episode/0Sydu8cKghev1WEdIHvytw?si=9ff7d121fed6494e)) Why are some nations richer? (https://www.npr.org/2024/10/15/1211165443/the-indicator-from-planet-money-nobel-economics-prize-institutions-10-15-2024) For sponsor-free episodes of The Indicator from Planet Money, subscribe to Planet Money+ via Apple Podcasts or at plus.npr.org (http://plus.npr.org/). Fact-checking by Sierra Juarez (https://www.npr.org/people/g-s1-26724/sierra-juarez). Music by Drop Electric (https://dropelectric.bandcamp.com/). Find us: TikTok (https://www.tiktok.com/@planetmoney), Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/planetmoney/), Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/planetmoney), Newsletter (https://www.npr.org/newsletter/money). To manage podcast ad preferences, review the links below: See pcm.adswizz.com (https://pcm.adswizz.com) for information about our collection and use of personal data for sponsorship and to manage your podcast sponsorship preferences. Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoices (https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices) NPR Privacy Policy (https://www.npr.org/about-npr/179878450/privacy-policy)

Apple Podcasts Overcast

Transcript

0:01

Npr.

0:12

This is the indicator from Planet Money. I'm Waylon Wong.

0:14

And I'm Darian Woods. Insania Tisho grew up in Tanzania, thousands of miles from the U.S. and yet the U.S. was a tangible presence. There was one American agency in particular that he knew was electrifying villages and distributing Malari. I remember my parents, my family receiving a lot of nets and they used

0:36

to say, sponsored by USAID.

0:39

USAID, or USAID, the U.S. agency for International Development. This arm of the government was created in 1961 to distribute foreign aid. And for Lamsanya, USAID wasn't just part of his childhood. About three years ago, it set up clean water in the village where he and his family live today.

0:58

Them. Sonia's wife Kristen says you can't miss who sponsored the project.

1:03

There's a massive sign that says, you know, water is being brought to you through USAID and the American people.

1:11

This kind of work came to a crashing halt last month when the Trump administration put a 90 day freeze on foreign aid. It also effectively closed USAID, throwing thousands of people out of work. The website even went dark and remains so today.

1:27

It was a rapid dismantling of an agency that has historically received bipartisan support. The agency isn't just about American largesse, but about bolstering American national security and economic interests.

1:40

Today on the show, we look at how the US has wielded this form of soft power and who might fill that power vacuum if USAID goes away.

1:52

In 2023, USAID had a budget of $40 billion. That accounted for 1% of the total federal budget for that year. The program spends money on things like food assistance, education and public health, including HIV AIDS prevention.

2:09

When you look at foreign aid as a percentage of gross national income, the US Is less generous than many other countries. But the US Is the largest economy in the world. So when it comes to the absolute number of dollars spent on foreign aid, the US Is the largest donor. That means the money which flows through agencies like USAID is indispens. That's according to Charles Kenney. He's a senior fellow at the center for Global Development. It's a think tank that conducts economic research on global poverty.

2:40

We are talking tens of millions of people who are alive because of USAID rather than debt, and we do it for this teeny amount of money.

2:51

Charles says that studies show that foreign aid can help promote economic growth and trade relationships between countries.

2:58

But don't just take it from Charles. Here's Marco Rubio, former Republican Senator and President Trump's current Secretary of State making this argument to Congress in 2017.

3:08

People can't be consumers if they're starving. They can't be consumers if they're dying of malaria. They can't be consumers if they live in an unstable country. So there is an economic rationale for our investment around the world. We are helping people to emerge from poverty and ultimately become members of a global consumer class.

3:28

In other words, as people in countries receiving foreign aid get richer, they're more likely to buy stuff from the US and elsewhere. That's part of the economic argument for USAID programs. Charles says there's also a related national security rationale.

3:44

If you know that your life has been saved by US Assistance, it's a lot less likely you're going to turn around and protest against the United States or join a terror group or whatever.

3:54

Marco Rubio, who defended USAID during his time in the Senate, is now presiding over the dismantling of the agency. Last week, the State Department said that USAID was no longer advancing American interests abroad and that a review of the agency's activities is underway. Rubio has said that parts of USAID might continue to run under the State Department.

4:16

USAID has faced criticism over the years about inefficient wasteful spending and whether foreign aid actually sparks economic growth. Last week, the White House circulated a list of projects that considered examples of waste and abuse at usaid.

4:32

Most of the examples were smaller in price tag, less than $5 million. Take an initiative to promote clean energy in Vietnam and some of them, like a, quote, DEI musical in Ireland, weren't even USAID projects.

4:46

Charles says there are many ways the agency needed improvement. For example, shipping American crops overseas to help with food emergencies can be a long and costly process. It can take four to six months.

4:59

But he doesn't see the chaotic closure as the answer to the agency's problems. The 90 day freeze has stopped operations like emergency medical care and an early warning system for detecting famines. Charles wants to see evolution, not revolution.

5:14

The reform agenda is really important. It's not a destroy agenda, if you will. It's not an agenda to rip this thing down. It's to make it even better.

5:25

Marco Rubio told Fox News last week that while the goal was reform, there is now, quote, rank insubordination at usaid. He said that forced his office to take dramatic steps. We reached out to the State Department via email, phone and couriered letter. We did not get a response.

5:43

We did talk to someone who works for an organization that gets USAID funding. She focuses on education. And she asked that we not use her name because she's worried about reprisal against her employer.

5:55

The past couple weeks have been heartbreaking. I can't even begin to describe it. The entire field is gone, Waylon. I mean, it's not even just like someone losing their job. It's the entire field.

6:09

This staffer was working on an educational project in West Africa. USAID was helping fund things like children's books and radio programming that could be used for remote learning.

6:20

Before the foreign aid freeze, her organization had received 11,000 tablets with solar chargers. Those tablets were supposed to be loaded with training material for teachers and distributed to schools. Now they're just sitting in an office.

6:34

The generator needs to run because these tablets are in the office. And if the power goes out and the air conditioning goes down, is it going to physically ruin these pieces of technology? If the air conditioners aren't running, for instance, and then if the funding doesn't come back, what's going to happen to these tablets?

6:54

The staffer told us her career choice was inspired by her uncle, an agricultural economist who worked for usaid. She herself was in the Peace Corps, and she's married to a veteran who served in Iraq.

7:07

I'm no fool when it comes to American interests and the work that I am doing to forward American values and American security prosperity. I get it. It really is partnerships with other countries and soft power and building trusting relationships, you know, and right now we are abandoning people right and left and we're not going to be the partner of choice if this is how we're treating people.

7:39

China, however, might step into this void. For over a decade, the Chinese government has been investing massively in infrastructure projects around the world, including in Africa. It's called the Bel. China is seeking to recruit allies and build goodwill not through humanitarian assistance, but through economic partnerships. Marco Rubio, for his part, told Fox News last week that he wasn't concerned about China filling this vacuum.

8:07

In Tanzania, where Lemsanya and Kristin Tisho live, they've seen Chinese funded mining projects spring up near them. They say the local reception to the increased Chinese presence has been mixed.

8:17

But Kristen Tischo says she expects sentiment to start turning against the US People have come to count on USAID for life saving drugs or they were employed through USAID and now they're out of a job.

8:31

I'm sure the hospitals will be quick to say it's not our fault you don't have your medication. The Americans who are funding it are no longer sending it. And we have about 1.7 million people in Tanzania with HIV. So it affects a huge number of families. They're not going to be thinking very kindly of Americans at this point.

8:49

Meanwhile, two lawsuits seeking to stop the closure of USAID are moving through federal court. One is from unions representing agency workers, and the second from a group that includes contractors and small businesses.

9:05

By the way, next week we'll have more on how the closure of USAID also affects American farmers who sell crops to the government. This episode was produced by Julia Ritchie with engineering by Sina Lofredo. It was fact checked by Sierra Juarez. Kicking Cannon edits the show, and the indicator is a production of npr.

The gutting of USAID

0:00

0:00

Related Episodes

Want a 2.5% mortgage? Buy it.

Want a 2.5% mortgage? Buy it.

Mar 5, 20269 min

Assumable MortgagesLow Mortgage RatesVA Loans

Retirement luck, Hassett hassles the Fed, and boneless chicken in ... court?

Retirement luck, Hassett hassles the Fed, and boneless chicken in ... court?

Feb 20, 20269 min

Retirement LuckStock Market ReturnsS&P 500

How well are ICE's 12,000 new officers being trained?

How well are ICE's 12,000 new officers being trained?

Feb 18, 20268 min

ICEDHSTrump Administration

Just how bad are these job numbers?

Just how bad are these job numbers?

Feb 6, 20269 min

Bureau of Labor StatisticsADPRevelio Labs