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Episode•October 29, 2025•9 min

Is Obamacare doomed without extended subsidies?

Health insurance subsidies are at the center of the current government shutdown. Democrats want to extend some expiring Affordable Care Act/Obamacare subsidies. Obamacare has weathered several political storms since its inception, but how will it fare without those subsidies? Today on the show, death spirals and the future of Obamacare. Related episodes: The hidden costs of healthcare churn (https://www.npr.org/2025/06/12/1254056490/healthcare-churn-insurance-medicaid-america) How doctors helped tank universal healthcare (https://www.npr.org/2025/06/09/1253891564/how-doctors-helped-tank-universal-health-care) For sponsor-free episodes of The Indicator from Planet Money, subscribe to Planet Money+ via Apple Podcasts or at plus.npr.org (http://plus.npr.org/). Fact-checking by Sierra Juarez (https://www.npr.org/people/1268825622/sierra-juarez). Music by Drop Electric (https://dropelectric.bandcamp.com/). Find us: TikTok (https://www.tiktok.com/@planetmoney), Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/planetmoney/), Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/planetmoney), Newsletter (https://www.npr.org/newsletter/money). To manage podcast ad preferences, review the links below: See pcm.adswizz.com (https://pcm.adswizz.com) for information about our collection and use of personal data for sponsorship and to manage your podcast sponsorship preferences. Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoices (https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices) NPR Privacy Policy (https://www.npr.org/about-npr/179878450/privacy-policy)

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Npr.

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We're about a month into the government shutdown and lawmakers are still at an impasse over health insurance subsidies.

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Democrats say they won't vote to reopen the government unless Republicans agree to extend subsidies for people who get health insurance through Obamacare, AKA the Affordable Care Act.

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And if these subsidies expire at the end of the year, millions of Americans could see the amount they pay for premiums double or more. That's according to the nonpartisan health policy think tank kff. And this could just be the start of a cascade of consequences. Theoretically speaking, a big price hike like this could even lead to something called an adverse selection death spiral.

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How's that for spooky season? Econ terminology.

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This is the indicator from Planet Money. I'm Adrian Ma.

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And I'm Darren Woods. Today on the show, we explain why the specter of a death spiral has haunted Obamacare ever since it began. And we ask, if Congress lets these Obamacare subsidies expire, could a death spiral be in its future?

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Let us surprise you before we dive into death spirals. A little bit of history is helpful here. So back in 2010, about 20% of Americans had no health insurance, which is double what it is today.

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And for many of them, it's not as if they didn't want insurance, it's just that they couldn't afford it or insurance companies wouldn't cover them because they had a pre existing medical condition.

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And during then President Barack Obama's first term, Democrats had an idea. They said, what if we created a government subsidized marketplace for health insurance and we passed a law saying that companies can basically no longer deny people with those ideas would become cornerstones of the Affordable Care Act, AKA Obamacare.

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But Cynthia Cox, who conducts research on Obamacare for kff, says those proposals came with their own complications.

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When an insurance company has to cover people who have pre existing conditions and they have to actually, you know, cover all of the benefits that that person might need, that makes health insurance premiums more expensive.

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And why does it do that? Well, if you think about it, people who are young and healthy are less likely to buy health insurance than those who are older or who have chronic illnesses. And people who are sick also use their benefits more to pay for medications and doctors and so on.

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In economics, they call this a problem of adverse selection. And from an insurance company's perspective, it is not good for profits because at the end of the day, their goal is just to collect more in member premiums than they have to pay out in benefits.

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And so what does an insurance company do when it's suddenly forced to cover people they would previously have rejected as too sick or too costly? Well, they raise the premiums on all their other customers. And here, Cynthia says, is where the slope can get very slippery.

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The health insurance premiums to cover that group of people are going to be so expensive that the people who are just a little bit sick might drop out next year. Then the market's going to be an even sicker group of people. And then the people who are only moderately sick would drop out the following year. And then you're left with a group of people who are only very, very sick, to the point that, you know, there are fewer and fewer people signing up each year. Premiums are going up more and more and more each year, and that is where you get into a death spiral.

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A death spiral, A negative cycle where rising prices drive healthier customers out of the insurance pool and companies raise prices more to compensate. And on and on it goes until the market collapses. Now, to try and avoid this fate, the ACA included a few incentives to try and get more healthy people into the Obamacare insurance marketplace.

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As Cynthia puts it, the original Affordable Care act included both carrots and sticks.

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The sticks included the so called individual mandate.

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If you did not buy health insurance or did not get it through Medicare or Medicaid, then you had to pay a penalty.

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Meanwhile, the carrots included subsidies and tax

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credits, and those were to make health insurance affordable for lower income and middle income people who otherwise would not have been able to afford it.

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So through a combination of subsidies and mandates, carrots and sticks, the hope was lots of healthy people would enroll in Obamacare plans, thus bolstering the ACA marketplace against any potential death spiral dynamics. That was the theory, anyway.

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The ACA Marketplace officially launched in 2013, and in the early years, it kind of struggled. The rollout was messy, and there were constant political attacks and lawsuits against the individual mandate. It all created a lot of confusion.

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Enrollment was significantly below expectations.

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That's Brian Blaize, who's the president of Paragon Health Institute, which is a conservative health policy Think tank with ties to the Trump admin. As insurance premiums went up, Brian, like many critics of Obamacare, saw signs of a potential death spiral in the making.

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Many parts of the country, in fact more than half of counties only had one or two insurers that were offering coverage. So it was not a competitive, well functioning insurance market.

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Then in 2017, as part of a big overhaul of the tax code, Republicans finally got their wish and ended the individual mandate's tax penalty. And this was a big blow to Obamacare because it took away the stick, one of the key incentives for healthy people to get insured. During these years, Obamacare enrollment declined about 6%. And yet, a full on Obamacare death spiral never really materialized. And the reason was the carrot, the tax credits and subsidies, which made ACA plans cheaper.

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For most people, this carrot will grow even larger. In 2021, as part of a pandemic spending package, Congress boosted funding for Obamacare subsidies, which made the plans even cheaper. And even though it was only supposed to be temporary, in 2022, Congress extended the subsidies through the end of 2025. Because of those enhanced subsidies, the number of people enrolled in Obamacare plans doubled, reaching 24 million today.

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So far from entering a death spiral, you might argue that Obamacare the past few years has been in a sort of health spiral.

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I would say yes to that. It's an interesting way of phrasing it.

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Maybe a little bit cautious with that.

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Interesting is not the word you want to hear sometimes.

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Yeah, well, Sarah Collins is a health policy researcher for the Commonwealth Fund, a nonprofit focused on improving the health care system. And she says the enhanced subsidies, they've actually strengthened the ACA marketplace and given consumers more choice.

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This greater enrollment did what you would expect it to do. It brought more insurers to the marketplaces and increased price competition. In 2024, 96% of enrollees had a choice of three or more plans.

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And this brings us to today, back to our original question we posed at the start of the show, which is if the extra Obamacare subsidies resulted in more people getting insured and kept premium prices lower than they would have been, could letting these subsidies expire do the opposite? And more to the point, could it actually push Obamacare towards a death spiral?

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All the experts we interviewed said no, people's premiums will rise. Many may drop out of their health insurance because of that. But the original Obamacare subsidies, those original carrots, will stay in place. And for that reason, the ACA market won't collapse.

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For Paragon Health Institute's Brian Blaize. He says he's in favor of letting the enhanced subsidies expire because he thinks Obamacare has over subsidized the insurance market.

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I think what we need to do is reform the underlying structure rather than just continue to send more money to health insurance companies to prop it up.

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The Commonwealth Fund's Sarah Collins has a different view.

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It isn't okay to let this happen. It's not necessary to let it happen. We know that these tax credits work. And we need a country where every everybody has health insurance coverage.

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It's almost like a microcosm of the

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debate in Congress right now.

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Totally. And I mean, I guess we'll see who Congress agrees with if they ever reopen the government. This episode was produced by Julia Ricci with engineering by Ko Takasugi Chernevan. It was fact checked by Sierra Juarez. Cake and Cannon edits the show and the indicators of production of NPR.

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