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Episode•April 30, 2025•9 min

How stable is Stablecoin?

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Npr. This is the indicator from Planet Money. I'm Paddy Hirsch.

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And I'm Waylon Wong. In an unusual show of bipartisanship, the House Financial Services Committee this month passed the stablecoin Transparency and Accountability for a Better Ledger Economy, or Stable Act. A similar bill also cleared a Senate Banking Committee in March.

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The legislation now goes up for debate. And quite a debate it's likely to be given the announcement in March by a White House connected company called World Liberty Financial that it plans to launch a stablecoin called USD1.

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The news has attracted the attention of lawmakers concerned about a conflict of interest for President Trump. A company affiliated with Trump and his family members own about a 60% stake in the business. And Trump has been very chatty about championing the mainstream use of crypto in

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the US but what exactly is this stablecoin thing? On today's show, we'll explain how stablecoins work and how they make money and for whom. If you've ever been to a casino, or even if you've only ever seen a casino on tv, you already know the basics of how a stablecoin works. This is because if you go to a casino, right, you go to the cashier first, you give her $100 and, and she gives you a bunch of chips, in this case 100 single dollar chips. And you go into the casino and you play roulette and craps and whatever. And then you bring whatever chips you have back back to the cashier and guess what? She gives you a dollar for each chip that you give her. The value of each of those chips has not changed during your time in the casino and it wouldn't change even if you kept those chips for a year. Their value is stable.

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Stablecoins are just like those chips. You buy them for a buck each and they retain their cash them in at any time for a dollar.

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It really is just like a poker chip.

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Yiming Ma is an associate professor at Columbia Business School. She says there are several reasons why people buy stablecoins. The first is of course, so you can play in the crypto casino if

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you want any kind of trading in crypto markets, it's easier to first convert your dollars or any other fiat currency into a stablecoin and and then use stablecoins basically as a means of payment to transact crypto or in different crypto markets.

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Now sure, you can use fiat currency like dollars or euros or yen in crypto world, but it's just less hassle to use a stablecoin that everyone accepts. Now the Second reason that people buy stablecoins is to move money around outside of crypto world.

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So in the US if you've attempted to make payments with a foreign bank somewhere to someone, you may notice that this could take quite some. This could be very expensive. It's not clear at what exchange rate things will settle.

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And this is true. I speak from experience here. If my mom ever wants to send money to me from the uk, it literally takes a week. And it's expensive. Really. Yeah, it really does. There are currency exchange costs and then both her bank and mine charge a fee.

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Stablecoins can let you do this kind of thing more easily and quickly and generally more cheaply than you can do with regular currency. Stable. So you convert your dollars to stablecoin, send the coins to your friend in Argentina or wherever, and she converts them to dollars on her end. Shazam.

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This all sounds good, but there are a couple of problems here. Yiming says first, buying and selling these coins is not quite as straightforward as going to the cashier in a casino. Most buyers purchase stablecoins on the market, not from the issuer. So you need to find someone who's willing to sell to you. It's like you have to hang out around the casino looking for some dude in a grubby raincoat who's got some chips that he's trying to unload. And later, when you want to cash out, you kind of got to do the same thing.

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You are actually selling your stablecoin to someone else on the market. And the hope is that this price at which you're selling is going to be as close to $1 as possible. So in that sense, you can think of it as like a stock that is trading and on the stock market, but the value of the stock or the price of the stock is stable at $1.

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Well, kind of stable. It is a market, remember? And we all know what happens in markets. If there aren't any buyers for your so called stablecoin, then maybe its price won't be so stable after all. Its price might actually fall.

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This happens and sometimes we're talking about more than a few cents. In 2023, the value of a stablecoin called USDC dropped below 88 cents. And Yiming says there's no protection for people these coins.

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It is not like a deposit in a bank account in the US that is protected by deposit insurance. There is no promise that it's always at $1. And indeed over the past years it has fluctuated and it could fluctuate in the future.

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Okay, so maybe stablecoins are not as stable as casino chips after all. But they are like casino chips in one particular way. They don't generate any kind of income on their own.

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Yeah, stablecoins are not like banks, Bitcoin or a meme coin or anything like that. They don't go up and down in value like those kinds of coins do. You know, stable coins are supposedly stable. They also don't pay interest the way that your dollars do when you put them in a bank account or a money market fund.

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The only way you can make money with stablecoin, just like casino chips, is to use them in the casino. You use them to play the crypto markets, investing them in bitcoin or other crypto assets, maybe even lending them out.

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And still, despite the fact that these stablecoins on their own don't make any money, they are becoming increasingly popular. The volume of stablecoin transactions last year was more than $27 trillion. That's more than Visa and MasterCard combined. And that means big money for issuers like Tether and Circle, the biggest players in the market.

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And there are a couple of ways these issuers make money. First, they charge fees to buy and sell on their platform.

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And.

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And then they make money by investing your money, just like a bank. When you deposit your cash, the bank turns around and invests that money. So a stablecoin issuer takes the dollar you gave it for your stablecoin and goes out and buys assets, usually U.S. treasuries.

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You know, on Treasuries, there's a coupon, there's a yield on deposits, there's the deposit rate. The issuer is essentially pocketing all that income, and there's nothing that they pay out to the holders of the stablecoin. Right. So it's an extremely profitable business to be in.

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Yeah. And this is why a company, say a company with ties to the Trump family, like World Liberty Financial, might want to get into the stablecoin business. If you can make it work and you can grab some of that market share, it is a license to print money. People literally give you billions of dollars, and you don't have to pay them any interest in return.

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But even for an organization as politically connected as World Liberty Financial, succeeding as an issuer could be a challenge. A successful stablecoin requires a network, people to adopt and accept and use those coins. And building out those kinds of networks can take years.

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Yeah, and then there's the fact that the stablecoin world is dominated by the biggest issuers. Tether and circle. And there are only limited ways that a newcomer can compete. Yiming says most financial companies compete on price. Like a bank might offer you a higher interest rate on your deposit account, but you can't do that with a stablecoin because stablecoins, well, they don't pay interest, remember?

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But because stablecoins are not distributing any of that income to their investors, it's actually currently not possible to compete on the price dimension.

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One thing you have to say about stablecoins, they are very well branded. It's a stablecoin. The problem is, as we've already established, stablecoins are not always stable. In fact, compared to traditional investments, they look pretty risky once you look under the hood.

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Yeah, here's a list. They're not insured like bank deposits are. They provide no returns. Their issuers are not fully audited. And they are very lightly regulated for now. They're also not particularly transparent. And this despite being on a blockchain. You know, one of those great big unalterable Google Docs in the sky that supposedly anyone can see.

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But all of that might be about to change because Congress is on the case.

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The current regulations put forward both in the House and the Senate, they generally are trying to make things more transparent.

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The Stable act, which we mentioned earlier, will make stablecoin issuers look a lot more like banks. If legislation passes both houses, stablecoin issuers will be regulated at either the state or the federal level. They'll be required to submit regular reports to ensure their coins remain stable with the dollar. And they'll have to comply with anti money laundering rules.

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What about those potential conflicts of interest for the president and his family?

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Well, Waylon, that's a whole other enchilada.

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This episode was produced by Cooper Katz McKim. It was engineered by Harry Paul. It was backtracked by Sierra Juarez and edited by Julia Ritchie. Kicking Cannon is our show's editor. And the indicators of production of NPR.

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