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Episode•February 12, 2025•10 min

Exposing Charles Ponzi

The name Charles Ponzi immediately recalls the financial scheme that bears his name. But what of the man who helped expose Ponzi's scheme? Today on the show, the incredible, little known story of Simon Swig, who upended Boston's financial and banking world in the early 20th century before crossing paths with the notorious scammer. Related episodes: Charles Ponzi's scheme (https://www.npr.org/2023/01/20/1150332566/charles-ponzi-financial-scam) For sponsor-free episodes of The Indicator from Planet Money, subscribe to Planet Money+ via Apple Podcasts or at plus.npr.org (http://plus.npr.org/). Fact-checking by Sierra Juarez (https://www.npr.org/people/g-s1-26724/sierra-juarez#:~:text=for%20Planet%20Money-,Sierra%20Juarez%20is%20a%20researcher%20and%20fact%20checker%20at%20the,and%20fact%20checking%20in%20Mexico.). Music by Drop Electric (https://dropelectric.bandcamp.com/). Find us: TikTok (https://www.tiktok.com/@planetmoney), Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/planetmoney/), Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/planetmoney), Newsletter (https://www.npr.org/newsletter/money). To manage podcast ad preferences, review the links below: See pcm.adswizz.com (https://pcm.adswizz.com) for information about our collection and use of personal data for sponsorship and to manage your podcast sponsorship preferences. Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoices (https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices) NPR Privacy Policy (https://www.npr.org/about-npr/179878450/privacy-policy)

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This is the Indicator from Planet Money. I'm Waylon Wong. And joining us today is a very special guest, founding producer of the Indicator, Darius Rafieyan. Welcome back, Darius.

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Thanks, Waylon. Great to be back.

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And you have brought us something super cool today.

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That's right. As journalists, we so often these days are finding stories on Google or TikTok. But today, I am thrilled to be able to bring you something that every journalist dreams about. A great story that I heard in a bar.

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The first time I ever heard the story, it almost stopped me in my tracks.

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That's Kent Swig. He's a New York real estate developer and a friend of mine. And we were out recently at a bar in the financial district, and Kent suddenly turns to me and says, hey, you know, my great grandfather uncovered the first Ponzi scheme. Right?

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Right. This is a great story. He was talking about Charles Ponzi, the creator of the scheme that gave its name to all the others. The father of all fraudsters.

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The very same. And when I heard this story, it sent me down a rabbit hole that included hundreds of newspaper clippings, personal letters, court documents, and a pretty charming anecdote about Ella Fitzgerald.

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So today on the Indicator, we bring you the untold story of Simon Swig. He's the radical people's banker who upended the stodgy world of Boston politics, helped expose the first financial fraud of the modern era, and was ultimately destroyed for it.

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Simon Zwig was born around 1865 in modern day Lithuania. As his great grandson Kent told me, his parents sent him to the United States, speaking not a word of English and without a cent to his name.

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They either thought he was expendable or that he was one that had the most moxie inside, that could preserve the family.

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He found work as a junk peddler, selling whatever odds and ends he could scrape together. From those humble beginnings, he built a business empire. At the center of it all was the Tremont Trust Company. The newspapers called it Swiggs Bank. He called it the People's Bank.

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And at that bank, he had done several things that were very unique in the banking world. One of the things, he was Jewish. So having a Jewish banker, there was no such thing. And Boston was a very, you know, provincial type city back in those days.

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Tremont Trust marketed to women, working people, immigrants, basically all the people that had been left out of the traditional financial system. The bank pioneered the practice of paying monthly interest on savings accounts, something that had actually been illegal until Swig got the law changed and he took out These big front page newspaper ads where he would call out other banks for hoarding all the profits.

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That wasn't very highly regarded because his banking industry friends did not appreciate that.

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Swig also took on the local political machines, leveraging the support of immigrant workers to bulldoze his way into the state legislature. He became the first Jewish person ever elected from his district.

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And he championed policies that would be considered radical today. For example, a bill to ban all corporate money in politics and a bill to allow police officers to be removed for bad behavior. He denounced lynchings, fought for women's suffrage, and personally hired Boston's first black bank tellers. All of this made him something of a folk hero in Boston.

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Then in 1919, he crossed paths with an enterprising charlatan who was poised to leave his mark on history.

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Charles Ponzi was his name.

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Ponzi was like Swig, an immigrant who had arrived in the US with nothing and through sheer force of personality built himself into a businessman. He also turned out to be running a financial fraud so, so big that to this day, his name is synonymous with this particular type of scam.

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So, quick primer on how a Ponzi scheme works. Basically, I tell everyone that I'm a genius investor and if you give me your money, I'll promise you amazing returns. But instead of investing the money because you know investing is hard, I sit on it and just tell everyone how well I'm doing.

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That attracts other investors who add their money to the pile. Then I simply take the money from my new investors and pay the old investors. And it's a classic case of robbing Peter to pay Paul. And as long as there's more money coming in than going out, everyone's happy.

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But maintaining this elaborate fraud required Ponzi to spread his money around multiple financial institutions so no one could get a full picture of what he was up to. He chose Tremont Trust as one of those institutions because of its willingness to do business with immigrants like him. And so he parked a significant portion of his ill gotten gains at Swiggs bank.

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And the gains were significant. At the height of his scheme, Ponzi was bringing in more than $6 million a month. That's more than 100 million in today's dollars. But for Swig, something wasn't adding up.

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He noticed a lot of money was coming in and money was going out and drips and grabs in an odd way, and it wasn't being invested. And he recognized that it was basically a scheme.

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So In July of 1920, Swig told Ponzi, basically, we want nothing to do with you. Close up your accounts and get lost. He then did his favorite thing, which is he took out front page newspaper in which he took thinly veiled shots at Ponzi.

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This is a great hobby. And, you know, your own banker calling you out in public. Not a great look.

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Yeah, no, doesn't inspire confidence.

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No, it does not. And the authorities were taking notice. By the following month, the entire house of cards had come crumbling down and Ponzi was arrested. It's estimated that his victims lost more than 300 million in today's dollars.

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So Ponzi was caught, the fraud was exposed, and Swig lived happily ever after as a hero, right? Well, not quite. About a month after Ponzi's collapse, the Tremont Trust experienced a bank run that nearly destroyed it.

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Officially, it was chalked up to lingering fallout from the Ponzi Panic. But Swig took to the press and claimed that the run was a conspiracy orchestrated by his fellow bankers who didn't like his radical ideas or his egalitarian approach to banking.

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The bankers slowly started putting in money in his bank more and more and more. When they knew that he had it lent out, they made a run on his bank and tried to take all their money out at once. By the way, today that's illegal to do.

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But the people came to Swig's aid. The bank was able to fend off the run thanks to a flood of new money from his many supporters. One person even hand delivered $200,000 in small bills just to alleviate a shortage. And so the bank returned to business as usual and. And never missed a payment.

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Then, inexplicably, just a few months later, the banking commissioner suddenly declared Tremont Trust hopelessly insolvent and took over the People's Bank. That evening, more than 100 Tremont bank tellers, newly unemployed, marched to the commissioner's office in protest, demanding that he reopen the bank.

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When reached for comment, Swig rose from his sickbed and in a bathrobe and slippers, addressed a crowd of newspaper men to decry what he called a deliberate banking murder.

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The guy knew how to give a quot huh? But even so, the Tremont Trust Company never reopened. Swig eventually went bankrupt trying to pay back his creditors. When he died in 1939, the newspapers ran a short one sentence obituary.

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But his great grandson Kent says that in his mind, Simon's legacy has nothing to do with what was printed in the newspapers and everything to do with Takkun Olam, a Hebrew phrase meaning to repair the world. It's the idea in Judaism that you have a duty to leave the world better than you found it.

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This is a very big driving force in my family.

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To explain what he meant, he told me a story about his grandfather, Benjamin Zwig, Simon's son, who had worked alongside him at Tremont Trust. Benjamin used to own the Fairmont Hotel in San Francisco, and one night he invited Kent to come to the hotel to see Ella Fitzgerald perform.

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She finishes, she's at the microphone, and she said, you know, are you Ben Swigg's grandson? I said, yes. And she goes, can you come back to my dressing room and talk to me?

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She told him the story of the first time she played at the Fairmont, back in the early 1950s, and how Benjamin had met her in the lobby and given her a tour of the glorious old hotel.

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Finally, she says to him, young man, I have to go to the bathroom. I need to go to my hotel. Can you please get me a taxi to my hotel? He says, let me just introduce myself. My name is Ben Swig. I own the hotel. If you're playing in my hotel, you're staying in my hotel. You're in the presidential suite. And he walks me up to the presidential suite. And she said, I was stunned. The first time in my life I ever, ever stayed in a hotel where I played.

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To Kent, that said more about his great grandfather's legacy than any obituary ever could. He was someone who fought to leave the world better than he found it.

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And it's an idea that Simon Swig passed down to his son Benjamin Swig, who passed it down to his son Melvin Swig, who passed it down to Kent, and. And Kent says he's worked hard to pass it down to his own children, including his son Simon.

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This episode was produced by Julia Ritchie with engineering by Jimmy Keighley. It was fact checked by Cierra Juarez Kicking Cannon edits the show, and the Indicator is a production of npr.

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